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"Disneygay" is a pejorative coined by Rivers Cuomo (under the username "ace") on March 4, 2002 in a forum post on the Rivers Correspondence Board. Though the use of "gay" as an insult has broadly fallen into disuse in the years since, the term "disneygay" remains an in-joke among fans.

History

On March 4, 2002, RCB user "asschun" posted a thread titled "you need to read this!", which compared the band's recent output unfavorably to the song "Only in Dreams" in particular. Cuomo replied to the thread multiple times to deride the song, calling it "boring", "gay", and "disneygay", among other things, and comparing it unfavorably to recent songs from Maladroit and the Album 5 sessions in progress at the time. He also remarked how his brother was embarrassed by the song. Cuomo also claimed that he stole the bassline from another song and that he only put it on the album because he needed another song ("Only in Dreams" supposedly being the only song left). Cuomo was, most likely, attempting to provoke his fans or, at the very least, later changed his mind about the song. In a 2006 interview with the Harvard Crimson, Cuomo was amused when reminded of the forum post:

The Harvard Crimson: Along those lines, I have to point out—the Rivers who is talking to me right now doesn’t sound like the Rivers who, posting on the Weezer message board circa 2002, said that "Only in Dreams" was "GAY! GAY! GAY! DISNEYGAY!”

Rivers: [Laughs] That’s so great that you remember that! It’s amazing that that information’s still out there!

Also, in a 2006 fan interview, Cuomo listed the song, alongside Haunt You Every Day, when asked what solos of which he was most proud:

Matt Grant, Enon, Ohio: What guitar solo are you most proud of/do you like the most, and why?

Rivers: Sheesh, so many. Maladroit, Pinkerton, much of Blue and MB. Id have to go with OID and HYED for sheer length. Epic, epic, epic. So few people play these kinds of solos anymore.

Excerpt from thread

The following excerpt from the thread is transcribed from an archived copy of the original thread, which can be read via the following links:

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Note: Cuomo's posts (under the username "ace") are highlighted in yellow.

Author Comment
asschun
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Posts: 497
(3/4/02 3:57:45 pm) 		you need to read this!

if you think the new stuff is great listen to OID before any new song

i win V ^_^ V

-assy

Edited by: asschun at: 3/20/02 12:00:29 pm

WeezBrit
Registered User
Posts: 1
(3/4/02 4:01:54 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

Listen to only in dreams before half of the songs on pinkerton and it has the same effect.

Nathaniel Hornblower
Registered User
Posts: 40
(3/4/02 4:02:39 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

its gay to compare new songs to 10 year old classics

this niblet
Registered User
Posts: 74
(3/4/02 4:06:13 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

Re: what the fuck there's plenty of great music out there (weezer and otherwise) that isn't nearly as good as OID.

but if anyone does that test and thinks the new stuff is better than OID, then they're idiots.

Newt Floss
gay, yet useful.
Posts: 56
(3/4/02 4:25:20 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

OID or POD?

Grimmas
Registered User
Posts: 71
(3/4/02 4:27:41 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

hell i can't listen to any song after OID... nothing can follow, it all sounds bad in comparision

Weezer99er
Registered User
Posts: 59
(3/4/02 4:31:19 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

Of coarse your going to think its better. Seeing that you have listened to OID 100 billion times and Take Control, what maybe 15? The argument that OID is better stems from your emotional connection to a song you feel is a classic.

Apples and Oranges comparrison. The new batch of songs aren't supposed to tap into the same emotional vein. Does sound to you like hes trying to? Take the new music for what it is: Solid rocking music.

Note: this is not an argument that the new is better than old or visa/versa. Its all good in its own right.

kyle vh2
YES.
Posts: 90
(3/4/02 4:41:37 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

I don't think anyone has listened to it 100 billion times, silly.

FFeJ and Raven
Registered User
Posts: 32
(3/4/02 4:57:20 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

*puts only in dreams on repeat*

Not yet.

brokemyrecord
Registered User
Posts: 88
(3/4/02 5:06:18 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

only in dreams vs. take control

i actually think that listening to take control over 15 times makes it a worse song. I'll listen to OID a billion times and still love it.

artfuse
FEMALE
Posts: 56
(3/4/02 5:10:38 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

This thread is useless.

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 338
(3/4/02 5:16:08 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

This should've ended with asschun's post.

ace
Rugged.
Posts: 40
(3/4/02 5:45:10 pm) 		...

OID is boring.

this niblet
Registered User
Posts: 77
(3/4/02 5:48:06 pm) 		Re: ...

you just like trying to provoke us, don't you

JohnnyNo05
Registered User
Posts: 52
(3/4/02 5:48:37 pm) 		Re:...

Ace, do you ever listen to Blue/Pinkerton nowdays?

grossepointekate
FEMALE
Posts: 72
(3/4/02 6:06:03 pm) 		Re: Re:...

not half as boring as december...

ichigo
FEMALE
Posts: 43
(3/4/02 6:06:25 pm) 		Re: ...

KILL ACE
KILL ACE
KILL ACE

(my friend burned her copies of pinkerton and green so they're on one cd... it's so depressing to have just finished butterfly and suddenly hear the half-awake "woah-oh-oh"s of don't let go)

ace
Rugged.
Posts: 41
(3/4/02 6:11:50 pm) 		Re: ...

no i don't, and i can't imagine that anyone here actually sits down and listens to that 8 minute piece of shit.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:13:10 pm) 		Re: ...

december kills oid as does slob and d+d. wake up people.

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 340
(3/4/02 6:13:51 pm) 		Re: ...

*gasp!*


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:15:08 pm) 		Re: ...

is anyone here man enough to admit that oid is boring?

Brody783
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:15:49 pm) 		Re: ...

by what standards though?

ace
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(3/4/02 6:16:40 pm) 		Re: ...

that the vocals are contrived?

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 341
(3/4/02 6:17:32 pm) 		Re: ...

Yeah, and December is non-stop excitement.






BAM.

Rock1984
Registered User
Posts: 50
(3/4/02 6:17:47 pm) 		Re: ...

Give it up, Ace! Nobody agrees with you. Only In Dreams is just too good.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:18:13 pm) 		Re: ...

that the lyrics are GAY as hell?

(my brother almost disowned me when he first heard the chorus)

DaFlavah
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:18:35 pm) 		Re: ...

i dont understand... if you dont like them, why owuld you play them still?

this niblet
Registered User
Posts: 78
(3/4/02 6:18:55 pm) 		Re: ...

everyone here is too honest to make that blasphemous lie.

and you shouldn't talk about contrived vocals if you want us to give new songs a chance

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 342
(3/4/02 6:19:29 pm) 		Re: ...

YOU WROTE THE GREEN ALBUM LAST YEAR.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:19:34 pm) 		Re: ...

that the bass line is an exact ripoff of "have you seen her"?

ace
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(3/4/02 6:21:36 pm) 		Re: ...

none of you agrees with me. play it for any sane person and they'd fall asleep before they had a chance to give you their verdict.

worst song on a bad album.

mrtpitiesfools
My penis grew 5 feet since
I left Jane's board.
Posts: 103
(3/4/02 6:21:38 pm) 		Re: ...

OID is like a faux epic, the huge buildup, the cheesy lyrics, but it all blends together to make it a great song.

ichigo
FEMALE
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(3/4/02 6:21:54 pm) 		Re: ...

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Edited by: ichigo at: 3/4/02 6:25:38 pm

DaFlavah
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(3/4/02 6:23:00 pm) 		Re: ...

the hrmonies are good, it has crescendo and great melodies... why would it be shit?

ridd1
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(3/4/02 6:23:14 pm) 		Re: ...

ichigo ichiBAN

Brody783
Registered User
Posts: 39
(3/4/02 6:23:14 pm) 		Re: ...

true, but isn't smells like teen spirit a rip off of the pixies' umass?

paperfacepilgrm
Registered User
Posts: 52
(3/4/02 6:23:26 pm) 		Re: ...

i think its your best song ever. its just the orgasmic solo. i swear to god if you stop playing it live, i'll go crazy

ace
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(3/4/02 6:23:46 pm) 		Re: ...

explain to me why "cheesy" lyrics are good here but bad in d+d. i'm afraid you're not making any sense.

this niblet
Registered User
Posts: 79
(3/4/02 6:23:48 pm) 		Re: ...

FRED DURST HAS BRAINWASHED ACE!!!!

matt1801
Registered User
Posts: 6
(3/4/02 6:24:11 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

It works in the context of the song. Same thing with the lyrics. Nothing weezer has done is very original...you're famous because you write consistently good pop songs. I can see where you think it's rather messy though....do you think you could record OID the same way you did in 93, today?

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 343
(3/4/02 6:24:58 pm) 		Re: ...

Ace, you're gonna make the kids cry.






ME.


The last 3 minutes of OID automatically make it better than anything on Maladroit.

mrtpitiesfools
My penis grew 5 feet since
I left Jane's board.
Posts: 104
(3/4/02 6:25:35 pm) 		Re: ...

If you speed up OID, the bassline sounds like a doe-see-doe song.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:25:45 pm) 		Re: ...

only in dreams
we see what it means
reach out our hands
hold onto hers

GAY!GAY!GAY!

DISNEYGAY!

admit it.

ridd1
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Posts: 304
(3/4/02 6:25:53 pm) 		Re: ...

fuck, let the man have his own opinion of his own song. Who cares if you don't agree.

Edited by: ridd1 at: 3/4/02 6:29:02 pm

Real Frogs
Pimpin' ain't easy.
Posts: 27
(3/4/02 6:26:54 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

Argue what you will, ace, about Only In Dreams.. but it doesn't change the fact that a lot of people truly love that song, people that care about music.. that song just MOVES a lot of people, and you can't deny that. Whether or not it conforms to some abstract formula or anything.. it doesn't change the fact of what it means to some people. Do you understand this? I'd kill to have people feel that way about one of my songs.

I seriously doubt ANYONE feels the same way about anything you've put out recently.

FabFiveFreddy
Registered User
Posts: 1
(3/4/02 6:27:28 pm) 		what the fuck

Ace,

If by boring you mean epicly amazing then yes, I am man enough to agree with you.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:28:50 pm) 		Re: ...

you walk up to her
ask her to dance
she says "hey baby
i just might take the chance"

gay. if only you guys gave newer songs half the gay allowance you gave the old ones you'd love them.

i can't tell you the courage it takes to sing these lines every night.

mrtpitiesfools
My penis grew 5 feet since
I left Jane's board.
Posts: 105
(3/4/02 6:28:55 pm) 		Re: ...

Cheesy lyrics are ok here since the song doesnt follow the structure that the recent songs all have, Intro,Verse, verse, chorus, solo, half chorus, outro.

Queero McGayguy
***HERO***
Posts: 344
(3/4/02 6:29:16 pm) 		Re: ...

Are you trying to say you have a problem with gay lyrics all of the sudden?

Brody783
Registered User
Posts: 40
(3/4/02 6:30:06 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

what are some of your favorite lyrics you've written then, ace?

ichigo
FEMALE
Posts: 45
(3/4/02 6:31:56 pm) 		Re: ...

.

Edited by: ichigo at: 3/4/02 6:39:34 pm

mrtpitiesfools
My penis grew 5 feet since
I left Jane's board.
Posts: 106
(3/4/02 6:32:00 pm) 		Re: ...

Would you rather sing "you walk up to him, ask him to dance?"
GAYYYYYY

asschun
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Posts: 498
(3/4/02 6:32:30 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

the way you SANG the lyrics is the opposite of everything you have done recently (recent=gay)
dynamics
the melody(though the chorus is ??)

ace
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(3/4/02 6:32:40 pm) 		Re: ...

most people don't love it.

i've surrounded myself with the few that do.

do us both a favor and GO AWAY.

the citizen of wen
Registered User
Posts: 40
(3/4/02 6:34:29 pm) 		Re: ...

>you walk up to her
>ask her to dance
>she says "hey baby
>i just might take the chance"

we put up with that shit because it's immediately followed by
you say it's a good thing
that you float in the air
that way there's no chance i will
crush your pretty toenails into a thousand pieces,

and because of the whole "she's in the air" segment.

if you intersperse gold like that with the gay gay gay stuff, we will love it.

Bree Van Bri
Registered User
Posts: 10
(3/4/02 6:34:44 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

"Crab at the booty, t'ain't gonna do no good..."

Real Frogs
Pimpin' ain't easy.
Posts: 28
(3/4/02 6:35:35 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

When you wrote those lyrics, did you mean them or were you just going "eh.. this song needs lyrics.. I'll just write whatever.."

I related to the lyrics.. they meant something to me at least.. no matter how basic.

jimboner
Registered User
Posts: 40
(3/4/02 6:35:57 pm) 		Re: ...

Holy shite, rugged indeed.

Rock1984
Registered User
Posts: 52
(3/4/02 6:36:55 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

I go to bed now. When I wake up tomorrow I hope to find out that everything Ace said about Only In Dreams was just a bad dream.

asschun
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Posts: 499
(3/4/02 6:37:10 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

ace, pms?

artfuse
FEMALE
Posts: 58
(3/4/02 6:38:34 pm) 		Re: what the fuck Ace:
Unlike a lot of people here, I happen to like Maladroit. AND I like OID. Maybe the lyrics of OID are peppered with standard cheese, but I don't care. I'm sure you don't like the music behind the words on OID either, but to me it's fucking incredible.
canafraidian
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(3/4/02 6:39:37 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

I've fallen asleep during OID, but in my opinion, that isn't a bad thing. In this case I mean.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:40:36 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

just having fun.

the way i sang was contrived, with fake emotion. believe it. everything about that recording was fake. we all hated it when we were done with it (the blue album, i mean).

fallingforshleee
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(3/4/02 6:40:37 pm) 		Re: ...

I know I'll get flamed for saying this, but OID lyrics kind of bother me. I think it's because of the "crush your pretty toenails" part.

sonicicefusion
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Posts: 12
(3/4/02 6:41:21 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

speaking of OID, the albany boot of it is up at sandwiches time.

dageeklove
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(3/4/02 6:41:25 pm) 		Re: ...

OID's lyrics work because of the music behind them. But they are kinda middle-school cheesy. I think D&D's lyrics work for the same reason. I can't say OID is a bad song, but I will say that the build up is a little too long and unnecessary.

Wilson

asschun
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(3/4/02 6:41:51 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

forget the actual words, i would rather have that music with n sync lyrics than maladroit

^_^

-assy

ace
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(3/4/02 6:42:45 pm) 		Re: ...

thank you. now just because you admit that oid is boring and cheesy does not make you a suck up.

ridd1
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(3/4/02 6:42:53 pm) 		Re: ...

ichigone

Dr Yum Yums
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(3/4/02 6:42:54 pm) 		Re: ...

ace,
a lot of my friends arent huge weezer fans, and would probably know you best only from the buddy holly video, but most of them agree only in dreams is the best song on blue....when did you first start thinking this song was "GAY"?

this niblet
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:43:10 pm) 		Re: ...

if the emotion is fake.... then you used to be a much much better actor

ace
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(3/4/02 6:44:36 pm) 		Re: ...

i always thought it was gay. i didn't want it on the record but i couldn't come up with any other songs.

Real Frogs
Pimpin' ain't easy.
Posts: 29
(3/4/02 6:45:35 pm) 		Re: what the fuck

what vocal performance of yours has real emotion?

artfuse
FEMALE
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(3/4/02 6:46:09 pm) 		Re: ...

Ace:
Sorry to burst your bubble, bro, but I'd be surprised if anyone on this thread was sucking up to you right now.

artfuse
FEMALE
Posts: 59
(3/4/02 6:46:09 pm) 		Re: ...

Ace:
Sorry to burst your bubble, bro, but I'd be surprised if anyone on this thread was sucking up to you right now.

raf
I weep for the old days.
And I'm fucking gay.
Posts: 16
(3/4/02 6:46:54 pm) 		Re: ...

the man is not an actor anymore, yo.

the citizen of wen
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:47:06 pm) 		Re: ...

why is fake emotion bad?
isn't there something nessecarily fake about any performance?
even performances that get recorded and put on records?

jimboner
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:48:17 pm) 		Re: ...

OID is an excellent song without a doubt, but I can see where he's coming from on this. This does not mean I totally agree with ace, but the build-up is a little long. That said, the chorus is some of the most amazing music ever recorded. Let's agree to disagree, folks.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:48:40 pm) 		Re: ...

i used to try to sound "emotional". i don't act at all now.

dageeklove
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:49:38 pm) 		Re: ...

I don't think Rivers is even trying to act for the vocals on Maladroit, and that's why everyone doesn't like them. He's just singing them with good technique and energy without having to act to get across an emotion.

Wilson

asschun
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(3/4/02 6:49:50 pm) 		Re: ...

yes dr yum yums...
any casual weezer fan (no one here is casual) i have talked to will mention either 1) blue and "in dreams" or 2) green and "hash pipe"

i dont care if it was fake, your voice was excellent and the music was even better

mrtpitiesfools
My penis grew 5 feet since
I left Jane's board.
Posts: 107
(3/4/02 6:50:43 pm) 		Re: ...

Ace, stop posting and start releasing some mp3s of songs we havent heard yet.

MerkinMuffley
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(3/4/02 6:52:57 pm) 		Re: ...

as for oid's cheesiness. . . given your position on "fakeness"i am not sure how it's possible to write an authentically sentimental song short of the type of "over-emotion," super-realistic stuff on Pinkerton.

OID's cheesiness works because of the specificity of the lyrics....the series of cliches with that "but when we wake it's all been erased" twist. I like D&D, but i think it's less powerful because it lacks that lyrical specificity (and a 4 minute instrumental that alienates/bores the average listeners).

ace
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(3/4/02 6:52:58 pm) 		Re: ...

i don't care if you perceive it to be "excellent", it's not.

artfuse
FEMALE
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(3/4/02 6:53:00 pm) 		Re: ...

So why do you still perform Blue songs on tour? Just curious...

ChadUWM
Registered User
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(3/4/02 6:54:36 pm) 		Re: ...

I noticed a definite attempt to make the vocals better towards the end of the recording process. A few of the songs have some feeling, but I would agree the first two albums are better lyrically and vocally.

I think Only In Dreams is good but it isn't one of my favorites on the blue album. Jonas, No One Else, Say It Ain't So... I don't believe you actually think that was a bad album.

I also hate December with a passion. I will agree that Slob kills OID... I don't know why but I love that song and I always have.

-Chad

Edited by: ChadUWM at: 3/4/02 6:57:03 pm

Real Frogs
Pimpin' ain't easy.
Posts: 30
(3/4/02 6:55:43 pm) 		Re: ...

I'm asking if you appreciate the fact that people feel so strongly about something that you created, whether or not you like it.

Edited by: Real Frogs at: 3/4/02 6:57:57 pm

UserName
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(3/4/02 6:56:22 pm) 		Re: ...

You should just pull a @#%$ floyd and just play the entire green album and shit, that would be fuckin boss.

ace
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(3/4/02 6:56:50 pm) 		Re: ...

would you guys mind if i dropped the blue songs from the live set?

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