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Weezerpedia Discord Q&A with Karl Koch - July 2022

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justinhoenke: @Karlophone Karl, what were some of the other band members insights into the 1997-1998 tunes? Did they have any favorites? Was there ever any promise of any crops of those tunes being pulled together into an album?

King Tom: Cherry Berry has got to be one.

Karl: at one point in 2000, there was a sort of informal survey going around, where Rivers was trying to sort out the priorities for the expected new album in the fall. Everyone was encouraged to list their fave new(ish) songs. Not many from before 2000 made the list, but as noted by King Tom, Cherry Berry was one, favored by Mikey and Pat. At the time, Homie and "Rivers solo band" material was not considered to be eligible, so really it was a 1998-1999-2000 selection, and id say 85% was 2000 stuff at least.
the other 'older' tunes included Prettiest Girl
thats one piece of yellow legal pad paper i really wish had ended up in my pile of stuff

July 2, 2022 5:11 AM (#karlification)

King Tom: Beautiful Demons was another song from 98 that looked like it was re-attempted in 2000 (according to the recording history). There are some snippets of it in Rivers' Black Room bundle. Do you remember or have any impression of that song?

Karl: i have no present memory of that title and yet i wrote the recording history. Can you link that so i can examine?
i cant find mention of that in 2000. I am pretty confident that the band never tried it at all.
the snippets that ended up in the black room bundle i likely heard back in the day in the collected recordings etc, but i have no memory of the song today

King Tom: Sorry, I had it wrong. Wasn't in the recording history. It was on a list from https://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Corner_-_11/26/2000 and I probably had it confused.

Karl: oh! this is the list that was on the aforementioned piece of legal pad paper! (see above) - i forgot i put it online back then
so clearly, this ties in - either Rivers and or Pat/Mikey/Brian thought enough of it to consider it for Green. But they never rehearsed it in my presence.

July 2, 2022 8:25 AM (#karlification)

Karl: so how did you[Note 1] find the "isnt she cute? / why dont you shut up?" source? The other stuff with the guy talking about "peanuts" is also from that show - but i have no idea what episode. I pulled them from a massive set of sleeveless records that were made for radio stations to air the vintage episodes, but they werent my records. That song was whipped into shape at Mark Eklund's studio in Portland OR. Mark was the younger brother of the (then) Everclear drummer Greg. He had just scored like 5 heavy boxes of these radio station records and we were going thru them at random and found those 2 bits to add to the track
i always wanted to track them down but had very little to go on

July 2, 2022 7:29 AM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: I'll take a look through the other episodes when I get a chance, to see if I can find the peanuts clip. I found the "Isn't she cute" clip just by googling the exact phrase--there's a transcript of the full episode online that came up with a search. Lots of old radio has been transcribed, which has helped with a lot of samples

Karl reacted to this message with a :FlyingW: emote in response.
July 2, 2022 8:12 AM (#karlification)

theangel: Karl, were you or the other Weezers ever friends with Everclear? Was anybody a fan of their music?

Karl: i dont think we ever met them? maybe super briefly backstage at a festival somewhere. I can only speak for myself, i got "World Of Noise" back in the day and enjoyed it.

July 2, 2022 8:31 AM (#karlification)

Jason B: This may be a bigger question - can you think of "locations" that have loomed large in =w= history? I had the thought today to make a user-map on google maps of weezer landmarks. Here's what I came up with just using car directions - it's got:

Amherst House
Stoner Ave
Club Dump/Central/Viper Room
Coconut Teazer
English Acid
The first "tour" show in San Jose


Karl: if you have the Tales Of Weezer book, it has a map we made that lists key early areas.

July 3, 2022 6:38 AM (#karlification)

Karl: from Tales of Weezer (weezine #17, still avail on the fan club app store):

July 3, 2022 7:30 AM (#projects)

sm_liam: hey karl, do you still have the essay your brother-in-law wrote after 9/11 that you posted on the weezer website? it'd be really interesting to see now nearly 21 years later

Karl: im sure i do, on an archived HD. I agree, looking back it would be interesting to see. There was so much emotion after that happened, and it was difficult to see clearly. I do suspect a lot of subsequent attacks were foiled, but not because of the Iraq war etc. Also the world kept changing, and now its not much like it was in 2001. Its weird how that happens and it impossible to see till one looks back.

July 3, 2022 6:42 AM (#karlification)

eted: Karl, to your knowledge, what was the genesis behind the the band putting the "Hindi mix" of Love is the Answer on Raditude? I've always wondered what pushed the song in that direction as opposed to the more standard pop-rock style on the Laid Back mix and the original demos (as well as the Sugar Ray version)

Karl: ok, that song has taken so much flak, and i agree in its final versions, its deserved. But initially, it was really cool. The earliest versions recorded in 2004 at Grandmaster were cool, they had swing. No Hindi breakdowns, no Sugar Ray style. But at some point the vocal approach was re-worked and i immediately didnt like where it was going. The delivery was right on the beat and felt stiff and lost the emotion to me. Then it never made Make Believe. When it was revisited for Raditude i think there was too many cooks in the kitchen. The Hindi singer lady was an amazing singer and i think the idea was that it will just be magical. but it was applying the wrong feel to an already corrupted song IMO.

July 3, 2022 6:50 AM (#karlification)

cantankerous: Are the earliest versions available to be listened to?

dilavni.band(.com): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZipKYIdNwg&feature=emb_title

Karl: even that clip isnt the earliest vocal style. its right untill in the chorus. the earliest takes held onto "love" , then the rest of the line was after a pause. like " loooooove -- is the aaanswer (as opposed to how you hear it here: "looove - iiis - thee - aaanswer..."). it made a big difference (to me lol)

July 3, 2022 11:55 AM (#karlification)

lord bambiraptor: So not Like this either? https://youtu.be/t8hKF701vyU

Karl: no, thats even more 'wrong' (acc to my ideal i mean). that one cuts the long "love" totally short, giving equal time and weight to each word of the line.
but i mean its a nice demo with that whole mellow intro part

July 3, 2022 2:10 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Are weezines 15 and 16 gonna be made available anywhere again?

Karl: i wont reprint them as is (theyre quite short page wise), but i would combine them with added material to make a sort of bridge between the Weezine omnibus and the #17 (tales of weezer)
FYI while #15 is pretty tough to find, #16 is nearly impossible - they didnt print enough and the last few cities of that tour didnt have it included in their VIP bag. I ended up with exactly one copy myself.

July 3, 2022 2:12 PM (#karlification)

Morgan: Do you know what date the soundboard recording of "Happy Together" from 2002 is from?

Karl: id have to really dig to confirm, but for some reason i feel like its from Madrid, Spain...???

July 5, 2022 6:32 PM (#karlification)

Morgan: It's not Madrid since they learned it during soundcheck in Barcelona (3/15/02) which was 2 days after the Madrid show (3/13/02)

Karl: ah! well i cant pin it down further without a deep dive. it was that tour though.

July 6, 2022 5:20 AM (#karlification)

Jason B: Hello Senator Koch - a three-parter for you. (1) How true is it that Rivers re-recorded the entirety of Jason's parts from Blue in one take or whatever? (2) Do you know if any of Jason's takes from the Electric Lady sessions (instrumental/vocal) were preserved? (3) Were the original Only in Dreams guitar parts different at all musically from the parts that were re-recorded?

Yours in the pursuit of =w= scholarship, Jason B

Karl: 1. 100% true, i watched it happen. 2. i think the original take of mykel and carli (not the one that was the b-side, but the "abandoned" one that later i think was a bonus track to... i forget - DTFM? was the one surviving blue sessions track with Jason still on it. 3. no the OID guitar/solo melodies that you hear on the Blue album were pretty established by that point.

July 9, 2022 1:18 PM (#karlification)

justinhoenke: Karl @Karlophone can we talk "Cherry Berry"? I would say that it has earned "legendary" status at this point, having stuck around from 1998 into the Green album era, and then on top of that not being in the RC Demo Drop. What do you think of this tune? Is there anything else you can compare it to? Thanks.

Karl: im pretty sure there is no recording of this song for some reason, and therefor its really hard for me to mentally picture it 23+ years on. I think I could get Pat to sing a little of it and try to explain it, but personally its a very distant memory of Mikey and Pat singing it for fun long ago. Theres a few lost songs i remember well because i was there as they rehearsed them, like "Move It On". But Cherry Berry was only briefly worked on and never recorded (as far as i can tell) and I wasnt there at that time.

July 9, 2022 1:21 PM (#karlification)

King Tom: Sometime last year in Riverchat, we were talking about solo acoustic shows and songs that could be played during them. I mentioned Cherry Berry and Rivers said something to the effect of 'you have no idea how weird that would sound acoustic.'

While we're talking about abandoned songs from that time, any recollection of Disco Queen? There are a few takes of it in the Black Room bundle and I thought it was interesting that it was one of the few tunes he was working on (that we know of) throughout the year.

eted: I believe Rivers said that a Cherry Berry recording exists but he didn't have it on hand at the time people were asking for him to add it the bundle? I'm not quite sure

Karl: this all seems to match the vague memories i have. Somehow it really slipped under multiple radars. if anyones got a recording its RC, but even he might not have it digitized at present.

July 9, 2022 6:25 PM (#karlification)

justinhoenke: Karl! @Karlophone I was at the Sept 1, 2000 show in Buffalo NY at RUNWAYZ. That's when the band had a live debut of Peace and Quiet. You and I met up in the parking lot before the show and listened to the soundcheck. I am fairly certain that one of the tunes they did was "No More Disappointments" but I just can't remember if that's what you said it was. Would they have been practicing this tune at this point, or is my memory just faulty?

Karl: good ol RUNWAYZ aka Blind Mellons (lol) AKA "that shithole that burned down years ago".... Its entirely possible that at that late point No More Disappointments was getting a last hurrah attempt (in soundchecks only), but it didnt survive beyond that summer/early fall for sure. The whole "leave no stone unturned" theory for paring down the Green Album list.

July 9, 2022 1:24 PM (#karlification)

drewski (cardigan disaster): Is it true that there was a second Mykel & Carli tribute concert planned with Chopper One, Space Twins, Ozma and Kara's Flowers? How come it never ended up happening?

Karl: I dont know if that was more than talk at the time? And with RC going back to Boston (intending on returning to Harvard but in fact doing solo shows and Homie stuff), and Matt flying off to London to finish 7MM, i dont think there was any hope of getting weezer on the bill. The weez was toast, at least for the time being. But clearly the other bands could have gone ahead with it - dont know why they didnt.

July 9, 2022 1:28 PM (#karlification)

sm_liam: hey karl, do you think the weezer fanbase has changed significantly over the years?

Karl: theres been phases. groups/cliques of fans, both in real space and online. its morphed and some have checked out (or just gotten busy with whatever?), and others came in. Ive intended on writing abot this slow transformation from the earliest days to present, and how it lines up with the evolution of online fandom, from BBS, newsgroups, aol, ICQ, and such, to early message boards, and so forth.

July 16, 2022 9:01 PM (#karlification)

deckra: while we're on the topic, what's the story behind this image? i'd assume it was just a picture pat took during a trip to japan, but did you ever have to obtain permission from these two for the picture to be used? it's been used in all sorts of special goodness branding

Karl: yeah just a photo he took out the window of the van in Tokyo. I guess Epitaph was like "eh, theyll never know" lol

July 16, 2022 9:01 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: Just got a pretty cool piece of Karlophone history in the mail..... thought I'd share it here

Karl: that cant be easy to find, YYY records surely didnt make many. I t was a major challenge coming up with a 30 second song that actually felt like a song!

Burnst Jamp: I had to email Kid Chocolat himself for that copy, haha. Never seen one in the wild

Karl: oh thats so cool he hooked you up! I had so much fun making that zombies video for him, and doing that remix for him. good guy. never met him in person!

July 16, 2022 9:04 PM (#karlification)

drewski (cardigan disaster): Do you have an idea why the original 1993 demo of Thrown It All Away abruptly cuts off during the end of the second chorus? The running theory seems to be that Rivers cut the ending off due to Jason possibly being responsible for writing the song’s outro, but there’s been no confirmation on whether or not this is true.

Karl: I dont know the answer.... I still say that Jason's involvement was minor at most, whatever it was. The original demo sort of collapses after chorus 2 (as many early 8 track demos did), where he sort of just didnt finish so it falls apart (beautifully). Are we saying here that the version he released in the bundles is a hard cut off, and you guys only know "how the song ends" from the Van Weezer version? (which is quite faithful to the original, to my delight)?

July 16, 2022 9:10 PM (#karlification)

drewski (cardigan disaster): Yes, we didn’t get to hear how the song ended until it was released as the Van Weezer bonus track. It was amusing to see fans theorize that the song will break into a huge guitar solo or have an insane build-up like Only in Dreams.

As for Jason, he doesn’t seem to have much recollection of the song’s writing process. He has however mention a demo he wrote with Rivers called “A Final Tear of Red”, but unfortunately he can’t locate where he has the song saved.

Karl: 'a final tear of red' was a co-write of Jason and Rivers, i remember hearing it at the Amherst house right after they finished the recording (mid 1992?). As I recall, Jason did the music and then Rivers did the vocal melodies and lyrics. The subject matter seemed very harsh/dark: an unfortunate/unavoidable abortion (though i must say thats totally speculation on my part based on what i thought the lyrics were at the time). This recording was apparently purged soon thereafter, I remember asking to hear it and got nowhere. I think Rivers changed his mind about collaborating with Jason (within weezer anyway) and/or decided the lyrics were way too personal/dark (again, i speculate based on the vibes i felt at the time). ...A few years later (post Blue album/Jason leaving weezer) at one of the first Chopper One shows, (Alligator Lounge in LA), Jason played the same song, only with his own new vocal melodies and lyrics over the same music. The only lyric i can recall is "feel it(?) in my bones", and it was not at all about the original (Rivers penned) subject matter anymore.

July 16, 2022 9:42 PM (#karlification)

drewski (cardigan disaster): It’s great to hear more info about the song! Last I heard from Jason about it he said the song never made the cut as a Chopper One track.

Speaking of Chopper One, would you happen to have any content regarding their live performances or tours? I’ve spent hours looking through old websites with the Wayback Machine, but have only managed to find a handful of dates and a few photos for the List of Jason Cropper Concerts page I’ve been working on over the past year.


Jason B: I have a suggestion for this - newspapers.com has (not great quality) scans from so so so many newspapers, and you can search the text of them! The text isn't always perfect but you can get specific keywords ("chopper one" is ubiquitous enough to come up), and you can also search by location and date range

Jason B: if you search chopper one california june - july 1997 you get a ton of stuff. you can also use venue names as keywords
you can find shows that way pretty reliably - it's how I built the That Dog concerts page

Karl: thats a great idea, how cool. As for Chopper One, the early show i recall seeing was definitely before 1997. The Alligator Lounge, like 1994 or something. But i can likely dig up a journal entry or something like that. It may have even been his first show, which might explain why i was there. or haha maybe it was 1997?? lol its foggy... i do recall the show i saw was well before he released any music. if that helps

July 17, 2022 7:55 AM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Do you know anything about the Jason Cropper produced Ozma sessions? I doubt it but you've got a memory and a half so I wouldn't be suprised

Karl: i do not. that only rings a distant bell, and i cant think of any info. Did this actually happen?

July 18, 2022 5:14 AM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Yeah it happened, 1997 or 1998, confirmed by both parties, it's a big conspiracy about who actually has the tapes

Karl: damn! color me intrigued

July 18, 2022 1:35 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: Karl, do you still have the home video recording of Weezer's Black Sessions performance in '95? And, if so, under what circumstances would you share/release it?

Karl: i have everything i ever shot, photo or video.... EXCEPT my very first "roll" of digital camera shots (the summer '00 session with the santa suits). those were somehow deleted (save for the small web sized ones and the ones used on the xmas cd etc). As for releasing the black sessions home video - i dont remember how complete it is and if its any good? I didnt use in on the VCD but i dont remember if thats because of copyright worries, bad audio quality, or just having too much stuff for the dvd.

July 18, 2022 1:38 PM (#karlification)

Karl: a little clue for the list of samples: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GjrwPhZNs

July 18, 2022 7:09 PM (#karlification)

Jason B: Senator Koch - a for-funzies question for you:


What do you make of Weezer-Pavement comparisons? Is it true that there was a narrative out there immediately post Blue that =w= were some kind of pavement knockoffs? What do you make of the near-consensus adoration that critics have given to pavement vs the rocky road =w= has faced? Have the two bands ever interacted?

Also bonus question: are you a silver jews/David Berman fan at all?

Karl: ok - weezer was definitely aware of pavement from jump, and admired the writing & the pixies-style loud/soft (of course) and the "just dress like you always dress and play, no style" vibes (also cf. Pixies). They were one of the core weez touchstones. Not necessarily musical influences the way the pixies, nirvana, VU, beach boys, the cars, etc were. But a guidepost - "they are doing it right". ........Now, once people were aware of the blue album and weezer, lots of comparisons and derision poured in because the band had no history (outside of a tiny scene in LA) and had apparently paid no dues (not true at all, but it seemed like they were formed out of whole cloth and were immediately successful - never mind the 2+ years of struggle before blue came out and the fact that the album sold 90 copies in its first week, and was ignored entirely for a few months until the undone video got played on 120 minutes). ..........I say that when people start lobbing "theyre ripping off..." accusations, that means you might be doing something right. Theyre mad they didnt think of whatever it is youre doing first, and its easiest to cite an apparent influence and call foul. Anyway, we hardly ever have crossed paths with Malkmus and pavement, which is a shame, they are certainly held in very high regard in weez world.

July 19, 2022 8:06 PM (#karlification)

justinhoenke: In my Weezer opinion (which is now canon I think), the only two Weezer producers that have mattered are Ric and Jake. What have been some of your experiences with the various producers Weezer has worked with? Are there any not named Jake or Ric that have made good impressions on you?

Karl: the funny thing is there havent been many others really. But 2 that stand out were technically engineers, on Pinkerton - Joe Baressi and Dave Fridmann. Both are just great at capturing live rock sounds. Also a shout out to Chad Bamford - also "only" an engineer for Make Believe, but has great ears. ......regarding others - I would say Rick Rubin was great at making the band feel comfortable, good at creating a vibe, and pushing for certain songs - hes never been very focused on how the sounds sound (he just knows it when he hears it). Butch Walker I dont feel was a good match, but he did have a ton of enthusiasm - he sort of wants to rewrite your songs for/with you, which worked at the time for Rivers, but that wouldnt work now. Jacknife Lee is a fantastic producer but pretty headstrong in his ways so ultimately it wasnt a great matchup.

July 20, 2022 2:06 PM (#karlification)

Charlie: is there any truth in the rumour that jacknife was kicked off raditude because he didn’t want to record “magic” as a weezer song? always thought it was strange that magic never made raditude despite its inclusion supposedly being a point of contention worth switching producer over.

Karl: "Magic"? no, that was a totally unrelated scenario. I think Jacknife was being driven a bit nuts by Rivers changing up the game plan a number of times, overriding Jacknifes ideas, and thus (i presume) feeling like his producer role was no longer valued or needed. Again, he was headstrong and talented, so i dont think he could roll with that vibe. I think he bailed, or it was a mutual parting

July 20, 2022 2:34 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: I have little faith that you'll be able to remember this one, but do you have any clue where this photo was taken? It's from an April '01 Karl's Corner (in Japan) https://www.weezerpedia.com/wiki/Karl%27s_Corner_-_04/24/2001 (the pic (I forgot to embed it in the message haha): https://www.weezerpedia.com/w/images/6/69/Karlscorner-20010424-e.jpg)

Karl: that april 2001 Japan tour was one of the only tours i was not on actually. I have a "roll" of pats photos from that tour, in original size, but that photo is not one of them, so it may have been taken by Atom or our lighting bro Dan Hadley. My (digital) archive has a small set of tiny res photos that this one is a part of, but i dont know who took them. As for its locale, i can only speculate Tower Records or HMV or one of the smaller Tokyo shops of that era. they went hard on displays there.

July 22, 2022 12:34 PM (#karlification)

justinhoenke: Karl @Karlophone how good were the pancakes that my mom made for you and the SG the time y’all stayed at my house during the 1999 tour? Don’t worry you won’t hurt my feelings I am now very aware that my mom was a very plain cook.

Karl: i dont remember their tastiness, but we were on a shoestring budget, so compared to a typical day in the van on that tour, they probably tasted like god

July 22, 2022 12:36 PM (#karlification)

Burnst Jamp: Special Goodness hat, supposedly from '97. Do you have any clue what this is, and how it came into existence (and circulation)? No mention of it in any Weezine issue from 96 through 98, seemingly no mention on SG's site, wasn't sold through their Cinderblock store. I'm at a loss. It's pre-Bunny and pre-SG touring, so I couldn't imagine it was given out at shows. Was it a prototype? The owner's a fan club member from the 90s, maybe they somehow got it in there hands through that. Do you own any of these/have you seen them? (Editing to also note, it's by New Era, who did the earliest '94 =w= hats)

Karl: i had those hats made. the goal was what later became known as "the dad hat". hence the color scheme!

July 22, 2022 12:38 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Do you know anything about this official shirt?

Moony B'deedle: /please say you have the art and will give it to us or that you are planning on re-releasing it tomorrow

Karl: Artwork by Elena Jensen, one of the earliest superfans, from the original 1994 LA fan group. I dont think the original art is extant (all the stuff Winterland did vanished when they went belly up), but i have some mint examples of the shirt that could potentially be scanned someday for a re-issue.

July 22, 2022 2:13 PM (#karlification)

Jane: Hi Karl, funnily the shirt was listed today after we were talking about it. Copyright on the shirt is 96 but it wasnt sold via weezine/online until 99. Do you remember if it was sold during the pinkerton tour? Or is my understanding of copyright stuff wrong and the shirt wasnt made until 99? https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m60056166384/?ref=search_results

Karl: sold on tour (briefly), but there were leftovers we snagged to sell via the club
its in here somewhere. The entire merch archive (pulled out into one pile because soon to move to an even better location)

July 23, 2022 5:49 AM (#karlification)

drewski (cardigan disaster): Feel free to disregard this question if the answer is shrouded in legal documents:

Is there a specific reason why Cropper is only credited on one Blue Album track? Rivers mentioned Jason is responsible for writing the Surf Wax riff and also stated in an interview that he credits Jason for a majority of the acoustic work on the record (I can't find the link, but if someone could point me towards it that would be great).
Jason himself has revealed he did guitar work on The World Has Turned, Only In Dreams, an apparently a small portion at the end of Undone. Were his writing credits removed after Rivers recorded over his guitar, or was he only given the single credit for My Name is Jonas upon a mutual agreement?

Karl: Pretty sure that Jason's contributions were things arrived at via jamming the songs in practice, after the songs were birthed/written by RC (and PW depending on if Pat supplied the music on a demo to start with (like with Surf, TWHT, Jonas)). So while one could have said "hey lets credit Jason because of that one part he came up with while we were playing it", one could just as easily say "well, the song was already written". This is a pretty typical thing that is worked out by bands in various ways when it comes time to officially make the call on stuff. As for the Jonas riff, that was entirely Jason's thing and led to Pat writing the rest of song around that finger picking intro part (and then Rivers writing the lyrics, vocal melodies and rising arpeggio part at the end)

July 28, 2022 8:20 AM (#karlification)

eted: I'm not sure if you would have info on this, but do you know whether the Rivers demo Victory originates from or predates I Don't Want Your Loving? They share elements with each other and the filename for Victory has IDWYL in parentheses, but I want to be sure before fleshing out that info on Weezerpedia

Karl: before i poke around, we're sure that Victory is different from "Victory On The Hill" and "The Victor", correct? offhand i have no memory of "Victory" but i definitely have things i can sift thru
i have a feeling he just renamed and reworked it prior to showing the band, therefore IDWYL was the "first" version of it myself and the band was aware of.

July 31, 2022 4:01 PM (#karlification)

dylan (HMC): How much, if any, of the original recordings are present on the final release of Death to False Metal?

Karl: the majority. in some songs cases like 99-100% The most reworked to me was "blowing my stack", as the key was changed from minor to major for starters.

July 31, 2022 4:04 PM (#karlification)

theangel: Someone asked you this a bit ago but the band was still the UK so you couldn't answer, but I'm still super curious. Could you share the original Hurley tracklist before the album was scrapped and reworked?

Karl: if i find it i will share. unclear if this is in my stuff or not right now

July 31, 2022 4:05 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: What is the real true and honest reason why Ryen got kicked out of weezer before the Bleezer tour

Karl: this sounds like a fanfic situation

July 31, 2022 4:06 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: This is from the ozmafan forums, and Ryen himself has confirmed he essentially got fired and went in did "The Crabs"

Moony B'deedle: So you're telling me both brad, (random ozma fan forums user who I do not know) AND Ryen (person I do know and have talked to about this thing) are lying?

Karl: i have no memory of this, but that could be my fault!
assuming Ryen was offered the tour, but then un-offered, i will theorize that it was Pat stepping up to play, with Josh doing the drums, that usurped that plan. I only remember Pat stepping up. But then, 2009 was often CHAOS with ideas coming and going in hours.
it was true that Rivers wanted to really try for no guitar, just singing and such. (an extension of the troublemaker tour where there were some instrument swapping and such)
by "and such" i mean trampolines, etc

July 31, 2022 4:15 PM (#karlification)

Moony B'deedle: Yeah, I'd have to go back through our chat logs but I know he went into audition, got the part, went in for a practice (?) maybe more than once and got kicked out for what I can only assume is not jiving well with the rest of the band, but jiving well enough where rivers asked him to write for ewbaite? Idk

Karl: everyones always been cool with both Ryen and Daniel, im gonna assume it was simply "this doesnt sound like Rivers", which would lead to Pat going "I can do it"

July 31, 2022 4:36 PM (#karlification)

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  1. Karl is indirectly referring to the user Burnst Jamp, who had recently discovered the source of a sample used in the Karlophone song "Peanuts" during his work on the List of Karlophone samples page.